Law & Coder
Welcome to Law & Coder, the podcast where technology meets the legal world! Join hosts Christina Natale and Morgan Llewellyn as they delve into the latest tech innovations and their transformative impact on the legal industry. Brought to you by HIKE2—your trusted partner in navigating the cutting edge of technology.
Episodes

Thursday Apr 17, 2025
Inside Legal Transformation: Strategy, Struggle, and Success (feat. Emily Rushing)
Thursday Apr 17, 2025
Thursday Apr 17, 2025
Join HIKE2 hosts Christina Natale, Director of Industry Solutions, and Morgan Llewellyn, Principal AI Practice Lead, with guest speaker, Emily Rushing, Director of Data Strategy at Holland & Knight LLP, for Episode 4 of Law & Coder.
Key takeaways from this episode:
Data Transformation Must be Human-Centered: Successful data strategies in law firms go beyond technology implementation. They require cultural alignment, leadership engagement, and a human-centered approach.
Start with Strategy and Culture: Before adopting any tools or platforms, law firms must honestly access their current state and establish a clear strategy. This includes understanding the firm’s culture, identifying core strengths, and ensuring safety for innovation.
Measure Success Beyond ROI: Traditional metrics may not fully capture the impact of data transformation.
Quick Wins Build Momentum: Small, practical projects can generate early success, build trust, and demonstrate the value of data transformation, setting the stage for broader strategic initiatives.
This episode is packed with actionable insights to help legal professionals navigate the process of data transformation at their law firms.
Tune in now!

Wednesday Mar 05, 2025
Risk vs. Reward: Innovation & AI Adoption in Law Firms
Wednesday Mar 05, 2025
Wednesday Mar 05, 2025
Law & Coder - Episode 3: Risk vs. Reward: Innovation & AI Adoption in Law FirmsIn this episode of Law & Coder, Morgan Llewellyn and Christina Natale explore the balance of risk and reward when it comes to innovation in law firms. They discuss the importance of having tough conversations early, especially around AI adoption, pricing models, and workflow changes. The conversation also highlights how cross-functional collaboration—between attorneys, IT, operations, and project management—is key to successful implementation. They emphasize that while innovation introduces risks, the rewards include improved efficiency, profitability, and stronger client services. Hear how law firms can navigate these challenges while embracing the future of legal technology.

Wednesday Feb 12, 2025
AI Bots in Legal Marketing: Why Human Connections Still Matter
Wednesday Feb 12, 2025
Wednesday Feb 12, 2025
Law & Coder - Episode 2: AI Bots in Legal Marketing: Why Human Connections Still MatterWelcome back to Law & Coder! In this episode, join hosts Christina Natale and Morgan Llewellyn as they highlight the rapidly evolving landscape of AI in the legal industry and underscore the importance of staying ahead of technological advancements to maintain a competitive edge.
Some of the key points covered in this episode:
AI Competition Drives Innovation – New players like DeepSeek challenge established AI firms, accelerating advancements in legal AI applications.
Democratizing Legal Research – AI enables smaller firms to access judge-specific rulings, case precedents, and opposition strategies, leveling the playing field.
Balancing AI Implementation and Human Connection – Successful adoption requires a mix of specialized and broad-access AI tools, rigorous testing, human oversight, and structured data access to ensure accuracy and compliance.
Tune in now to gain insights into the critical role of AI in law firms today!

Tuesday Jan 28, 2025
A JD and a PhD Walk Into a Bar...
Tuesday Jan 28, 2025
Tuesday Jan 28, 2025
Law & Coder - Episode 1: A JD and a PhD Walk Into a Bar...
Join hosts Christina Natale, Director of Industry Solutions at HIKE2, and Morgan Llewellyn, PhD, Head of HIKE2’s AI Practice, as they kick off the Law & Coder podcast with a deep dive into the ever-evolving intersection of law and technology.
What they'll uncover:
Trends to Avoid: Combat "POC fatigue" and rethink overly narrow point solutions.
Trends to Embrace: Harness the power of workflow redesign and agent-centric design with generative AI and automation.
Trends to Consider: Explore agentic AI's potential to revolutionize legal work—like Wilson Sonsini’s innovative use of AI in contract review—and learn how to assess risks and rewards effectively.
This episode is packed with actionable insights and real-world examples to help legal professionals navigate the future of innovation.
Tune in now to discover which trends are worth embracing, avoiding, or rethinking—and get a glimpse into the exciting topics lined up for future episodes!

Thursday Jan 23, 2025